What are some key arguments against illegal immigration?

Question

I am currently in a current issues class and my teacher is extremely liberal. She continues to show us news broadcasts from MSNBC (far left) and tell us how "undocumented" immigrants are helping our country. I disagree with almost everything she says. She encourages us to participate in class and I need some key arguments to back up my view against illegal immigration. Thanks!

Answer 1

Great to see the youth of this country rallying against the ultra liberal philosophy all too prevalent in our education system.



In addressing illegal immigration, far to little attention is paid to those who are technically "legal" because they came into this country by visa but, in fact, are very much illegal due to their actions and our nation's inability or lack of desire to enforce immigration laws.



Here's a real life example you can throw at her.



My ex came in this country supposedly to study at a university in Arkansas in 2003. She had all the papers from her university in Mongolia to "substantiate" that she was coming for a short time to study and return to Mongolia. However, she never attended one day of class in the U.S.and never registered with the university. Instead, she worked "under the table" for three years until finding some U.S. citizen fool enough to marry her (me). I learned of this fraud after the marriage. Ofcourse by then she was able to obtain a green card. If the USCIS (United States Citizenship and Immigration Services) was vigilant they would have denied her the green card because coming in on a student visa and not enrolling in a school voids the student visa thus she was here illegally. She has, since that time, acquired 5 charges for theft, and is permitted to leave the country and return with no consequences (in 2010, 2011 and 2012) even though these crimes make her inadmissable and deportable. IN fact, she has already been denied citizenship for the first two shoplifting incidences 3 years ago. In addition, in 2010 she applied for student aid stating she did not posess a B.A. The fact is she has a B.A. and M.A. from Mongolia which has been accredited by WES. By this fraud she was able to obtain a Pell Grant and student loans to attend a massage therapy school. This is federal fraud and has been reported to the authorities with no action whatsoever. In fact, all of her illegal actions have been reported to ICE, USCIS, Homeland Security, various senators and representatives, The inspector general's office for education and numerous other government agencies with all documentation of her offenses. Thus far, nothing has been done to rectify this flagrant abuse of the U.S. Immigration system.



I'd love to know how she responds to this.

Answer 2

I totally see where you are coming from, I was in your shoes not long ago. Ok, so I'm not trying to get off topic, but I am currently a student at UCLA, which has helped me learn about the truth to how bad illegal immigrants are for this country. I have many things you could tell your teacher to help your argument.

1. They do not pay taxes.

2. They steal our jobs. Now your teacher may say that these jobs are very low paying and are at minimum wage, or often below minimum wage that help keep businesses running and make it more affordable for them, and that Americans wouldn't work these jobs because they are too low, and we do not believe we could live the lifestyles we are accustomed to. The fact of the matter is that, yes these are low paying jobs, but the majority of them only hire them for such low wages that way they are capable of producing mass profit for themselves and don't have to even pay minimum wage. If illegal aliens didn't take the jobs we wouldn't because they're too low, then the prices would go up. So these jobs that provide a low income for us Americans, stay low because illegal aliens have no problem doing these (especially since they don't pay taxes). Businesses will not increase the amount of money we Americans make, because Mexicans accept so little. With the money they make, it is estimated they send back billions of it each year, so the money they make, doesn't even go back into our economy.

3. They cause hospitals to become shut down. Hospitals can not afford for this number of illegal immigrants to be provided this much health care with out receiving payment. Illegal immigrants take advantages of hospitals and do not pay their bills for the care they receive, thus causing the hospital to lose money, and then the hospitals are forced to shut down, because they are losing money. If your teacher was to argue there is already numerous hospitals throughout California that are going through this. Also, much of the care they need we can not refuse to give to them, such as a woman going through birth, and when these illegal immigrants are unable to pay for this, right there goes $10,000 of tax payers money.

4. Many illegal aliens receive billions of dollars in free benefits through the government such as financial aide, food stamps, housing assistance, health care, and much more. This is all coming from tax payers.

5. It is estimated that we spend over $10,000,000,000 (yes that's right!) on providing education to the children of illegal immigrants, who often can't even speak English.

6. Roughly 5-10% of these illegal immigrants are gang members, thus putting many Americans' lives at risk, because our government putts up with it.



I could continue, if you need me to then contact me. Please show, or tell your teacher what I have put on here, and I would like to here what they have to say in response. Thanks I hope I have been of some help. Tell them to watch FOX News

Answer 3

Would not most people use the ".....almost everything she says." as the "key argument"?



What is it that you are disagreeing with, her stance or her sources of materials used? Maybe this is suppose to be her way to get a student motivated to seek out his/her own truth by study or self involvement. The little you wrote does not help me to decide ".....some key arguments to back up my view against illegal immigration." You do not give your view against or for illegal immigration, how would I be able to give "key arguments" to nothing.

What I see so far are person opinions in the three answers so far and to be truthful I would not use the "real life example" offered because it is a personal life example. Other than a claim of occurrence what proof is given. In fact what proof or source is offered to they use our tax dollars, get on welfare and gasp!!, are in our schools?

There is no support to "Amnesty= Civil War." Go ahead and click on the immigration counters link. When that page opens find Japanese, Polish, African, Jamaican, Italian, Norwegian, Mongolian, Russian, Canadian or Hmong and good luck finding information on those nationalities of possible illegal immigrants.

German is mentioned only in comparison of the numbers of millionaires between Mexico and Germany but German illegal immigrants like those nationalities above do not exist and as such are apparently not figured in to immigration counter receivers or takers of United States flowing monies.

Now find Hispanics on that same immigration counters page. Mexican, I found at least 12. Similar count with Mexico, I found 25 plus. Brazil and South America are mention only as business booms. Guatemalans, Cubans, El Salvadorians all these and the above not mentioned anywhere on the first page of the given immigration counters link, I guess they could not count past Mexico's numbers.

To me this site focuses way to much one one nationality as "the problem" and in looking completely ignores other nations and races as possible illegals immigrants or participates in the financial problems being pointed out. Then it is possible that the poster of the link used a page that gives this kind of interpretation to the information being given.

In that "real life example" offered I claimed it as his/her story unsuitable for evidence or support in an argument. What I would like to point is any information I read is slanted with his anger for his ex wife. I would not take this as a story unless I could hear the other side. In reading the story's little offered information things like " acquired 5 charges for theft" and "has already been denied citizenship for the first two shoplifting incidences 3 years ago' throw more questions into my mind than support of a "key arguments".



Edit: I searched Fox News for some (3) results, see source box below. Since I did not see any stories pointing to illegals as "reasons for" the claimed subjects I did not look long or far.

Interesting the one result I did find about illegals matching the subject/topic is below.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,272061,00.html



In the area of "stealing jobs" the search results show more jobs are being cut than stolen.

My search does not prove illegals have no part in stealing jobs, bankrupting hospitals or not paying taxes. But my search does show the claimed problems are not as plainly abundant written in one answer.

So if you do take any information to your teacher, as suggested, I would suggest a bit of self researching first. No one answer could make you look or sound as if you did your own work.

Answer 4

They come in and use our tax dollars for insurance for example. Or they get on welfare kids are in our schools when teaches are getting laid off and classes are being impacted. Basically they get American treatment even if illegal.